HmmBaseball Reference.com is usually beyond redoubt, but I would say with almost unimpeachable certainty that Mickey Lolich weighed somewhere in the vicinity of 240 by the time he was huffing and puffing his way up the pitchers mound at Shea in 1976.Another awful trade, courtesy of M. Donald Grant, who couldn't wait to run Rusty Staub (coming off a team-record setting 105 RBI season) out of town, weeks after Mrs. Payson passed away. pete Shari But in his final season with the Tigers, he became the all-time leader in strikeouts for left-handed pitchers. They did not let him pitch the way he wanted. feat fan Jamey Bumbalo I wish the Mets had a pitcher today with a 3.22 ERA. Did you boo him or make fun out of him? He made the all- star team 3 times, led the AL in wins once, shutouts once, complete games once, innings once, strikeouts once, and losses TWICE.He finished second (1971) and third (1972) in the Cy Young race, and he never finished higher than TENTH PLACE in the league in ERA (finished tenth in both 1971 and 1972).Baseball Reference lists among his top ten in similarity scores: Jerry Koosman, Jerry Reuss, Rick Reuschel, Luis Tiant, Vida Blue, and Joe Niekro.All of that tells me Lolich in his prime was a good pitcher, but nowhere near a HOFer. Lolich was a good one, underrated and dominating at times. Having this claim (in addition to his World Series MVP) is definitely worthy of the Hall of Fame. Lolich won complete games in Games 2 & 5 and faced and beat Gibson and the St. Louis Cardinals in Game 7 by the score of 4-1 as the Tigers won the World Championship. Lolich - donuts Staub - steak.The food metaphor of trading a steak for a donut is accurate in this and many Mets trades.Would love to see a book written with lists and analysis of all Mets trades. I remember that the Daily News at the time would have a one-page section on Sunday that showed some of the athletes with their families away from the ballpark. Ken Akerman The Lolich for Rusty Staub trade might be the first and only trade where two players who were well known for food establishments were traded for each other. 170 lbs.? 3.50 was more of a mediocre E.R.A in those days.About his profile of 6'1" and 170 lbs., I looked him up in the Baseball Encyclopedia and that's what they have. I don't know, but I love this story: A couple years ago, my buddy was working on the new Cardinals Stadium in St. Louis and he kept telling all the Cards fans there that their '68 team got beat 3 times by a donut salesman! support. Rusty loved New York and the Mets, and wanted to finish his career here. etc. The two 13-inning games didn't even count for complete games because they went 15 innings! Lolich was a good pitcher in his prime - he won 3 games in the '68 Series vs. the Cardinals, including Game 7. You can't be serious. Pitchingwise, he made Hank Webb look like Tom Seaver. July 15, 2016 pete A few more years as the ace of the Tigers staff probably would have landed him in the Hall of Fame. bob saunders So when your "inning eater" goes 220 and gets a bonus it's beyond comprehension. The Tigers had some great years back in the late 60's and early 70's- much like the Mets. And of course Lolich did not want to be here, and the fans did not want him here either, so I am sure that's why he skipped town the next year. Bob P He made the all- star team 3 times, led the AL in wins once, shutouts once, complete games once, innings once, strikeouts once, and losses TWICE.He finished second (1971) and third (1972) in the Cy Young race, and he never finished higher than TENTH PLACE in the league in ERA (finished tenth in both 1971 and 1972).Baseball Reference lists among his top ten in similarity scores: Jerry Koosman, Jerry Reuss, Rick Reuschel, Luis Tiant, Vida Blue, and Joe Niekro.All of that tells me Lolich in his prime was a good pitcher, but nowhere near a HOFer. August 7, 2002 Randy Tate Five years before he became a Met, Lolich threw for 376 innings! Five years before he became a Met, Lolich threw for 376 innings! Although Mick was not the same pitcher in NY that he was in Detroit, everyone seemed to like the guy. Lolich won complete games in Games 2 & 5 and faced and beat Gibson and the St. Louis Cardinals in Game 7 by the score of 4-1 as the Tigers won the World Championship. Mickey Lolich is one of my favorite players. pete Lolich was a newcomer that was a big loser, and he reminded us of how stupid the Mets management was for always going after fading superstars. Visit collectauctions.net or call 1-888-463-3063. His era of 3.22 is only .09% more than 20-game winner Carlton for the Phils. April 27, 2013 Take a look at his stats on baseball-reference and you will shake your head. Shickhaus Franks Mickey Lolich was the greatest left handed pitcher in the whole world to me in 1968, He was even greater than Denny. Cut him some slack. Baseball burnt him out. But I have to say, I laughed out loud when I saw his physical statistics on this site. However, it baffled me why the '76 Mets, who had Seaver, Koosman and Matlack, would trade one of their best hitters and an every-day player (and they didn't have that many good hitters) for a fourth or fifth starting pitcher. LA-Mets I don't know if Mickey belongs in Cooperstown but he sure deserved more than 25% of the vote which was his highest showing. When he was with the Mets, I gave him the name "TOO MUCH EATER" but then again the Orange and Blue has always had big boned hurlers (El Sid. bob saunders Five years before he became a Met, Lolich threw for 376 innings! Al January 12, 2011 We are going all the way!" Robert October 19, 2011 Mickey Lolich is one of my favorite players. October 18, 2008 December 20, 2019 So when your "inning eater" goes 220 and gets a bonus it's beyond comprehension. But what can you expect when the team only averaged 3.4 runs for Seaver per start and 3.3 for Lolich? This California farm kingdom holds a key, Six people, including mother and baby, killed in Tulare County; drug cartel suspected, These are the 101 best restaurants in Los Angeles, New Bay Area maps show hidden flood risk from sea level rise and groundwater. This has never happened before? No put-down of Mickey, but that teamed needed Staub much more than they needed another pitcher. An E.R.A of 3.22 in the mid 70's was still pretty respectable. The Staub trade was ridiculous but not Lolich's fault. The fact that he pitched four consecutive 300+ inning years; that's like 10 years in today's game. Did you boo him or make fun out of him? Koufax would have 175 by the All-Star Break. Mickey Lolich did not want to come to the Mets. In his first full season 1964, Mickey Lolich went 18-9 an ERA of 3.26. I have to respectfully disagree with NYB Buff's claim that Lolich belongs in Cooperstown. Jamey Bumbalo But keeping 105-RBI Staub would have provided middle lineup power 100% of the time. But then Vail got hurt, and Kranepool and the aging Torre got more playing time.The better plan was to keep Staub, and let Milner and Vail fight for a spot. Staub a great fielder with a great arm? I simply loved to see him walk onto the mound; I knew that we as a ball club would be a winner any time he pitched, but as they always say time moves on, but our memory is always around. Mickey did a few good games with the Mets as well as a couple shutouts. eddiek But keeping 105-RBI Staub would have provided middle lineup power 100% of the time. Although Mick was not the same pitcher in NY that he was in Detroit, everyone seemed to like the guy. You can't be serious. May 8, 2003 I looked him up in The Sports Encyclopedia 2002 and they have 6' and 210 lbs. And of course Lolich did not want to be here, and the fans did not want him here either, so I am sure that's why he skipped town the next year. Only two others, Steve Carlton and Randy Johnson, have surpassed him. I know the one in Lake Orion was probably open till the early 90s. Rusty played another decade. Mickey Lolich's Great World Series Lolich was great. Or even a platoon as Vail was righty, and Milner was lefty.In the days of 4-man rotation, Seaver-Koosman-Matlack had them covered 75% of the time. I wish the Mets had a pitcher today with a 3.22 ERA. December 20, 2019 As it is, he was traded to a team with a set of already existent aces- Seaver and Koosman. We felt the same way when the Mets traded away Seaver and got back mediocre players for him. In that same year he went 13, 13, 12, 11 and 10 innings in 5 games. In that same year he went 13, 13, 12, 11 and 10 innings in 5 games. Having this claim (in addition to his World Series MVP) is definitely worthy of the Hall of Fame. We are going all the way!" Mickey Lolich's Donuts 247Sports 247Sports Home FB Rec FB Recruiting Home News Feed Team Rankings Commitments Decommitments Scheduled Commits Player Rankings Player Search Crystal Ball. Mickey liked his doughnuts. Al Lolich hit a home run in the World Series- and so what does that mean, that he was a great hitter? Five years before he became a Met, Lolich threw for 376 innings! In one of his best games as a Met, hefty lefty Lolich (no doubt the prototype for David Wells), tossed 8 innings, allowing 8 hits and 2 walks while striking out 4, the only run scoring on a fourth-inning groundout by a young Dave Parker.Alas, with the Mets historically typical poor run support, Lolich left, trailing 1-0, for pinch hitter Mike Phillips, who fanned for the 2nd out of the ninth, before singles by Ed Kranepool (batting for Leon Brown) and Bruce Boisclair and a walk to John Milner loaded the bases for Joe Torre. =Chuck= April 27, 2013 NO WAY he was 170 pounds. Robert Peter I don't know, I'm not a Mets expert. November 3, 2006 For a fourth starter, on a four man rotation, Lolich was decent. LA-Mets The Lolich for Rusty Staub trade might be the first and only trade where two players who were well known for food establishments were traded for each other. Lolich was a good one, underrated and dominating at times. I'll take Mickey's pitching line - except for W&L - any time. He lost 39 games his last two seasons in Detroit, with an obese ERA both years. That would make him a star in today's market. A few more years as the ace of the Tigers staff probably would have landed him in the Hall of Fame. John Bruce October 19, 2011 NYB Buff As somebody mentioned previously, this is really all Mike Vail's fault. To the guy who scored the game when Lolich gave up two homers to the no name pitcher- big deal? But keeping 105-RBI Staub would have provided middle lineup power 100% of the time. Streamline your workflow with our best-in-class digital asset management system. Reading this brings back my memory of the trade that sent Rusty packing to Detroit. Man, he was a big one. Grow your brand authentically by sharing brand content with the internets creators. Mickey was finished and Rusty still had about 8-10 years left, even though the last couple were solely as a pinch hitter. John, we know the condition the team was in when Lolich got here. May 6, 2003 You can't trade Rusty Staub without instantly improving team speed". 6'1", 170???? Mickey pitched to a poor 8-13 record but he also had a 3.22 ERA which is pretty damn good. October 2, 2005 etc. The trade was a great one for the Tigers and yet another whopper in a long history of bad trades for the Mets. I agree with Doughnut Shoppe patron. Raymond Malcuit Jr. Larry Burns November 10, 2002 As a 44-year-old with a beer belly, I can relate. 170 lbs.? September 29, 2007 But in his final season with the Tigers, he became the all-time leader in strikeouts for left-handed pitchers. February 28, 2003 He wanted to finish out his career in Detroit, where he had some great years (the photo of him jumping on Bill Freehan after the final out in the 1968 World Series is a classic). He had a 2.59 ERA at the end of July. As for his love of donuts, he could have been the prototype for Homer Simpson. 6'1", 170???? An interesting thing about Lolich that I remember from an old Mets program is that he's actually right handed. He later resurfaced with the Padres. Career, season, and individual game leaders at your fingertips! Lolich was a good one, underrated and dominating at times. The trade was a great one for the Tigers and yet another whopper in a long history of bad trades for the Mets. So when your "inning eater" goes 220 and gets a bonus it's beyond comprehension. Reading this brings back my memory of the trade that sent Rusty packing to Detroit. Lolich finished his career 12th on the all-time strikeout list with 2,832, second only to Steve Carlton among left-handers. Bartolo Colon etc). Here's a snippet he recites: "In the ring with Joe Frazier and Muhammad Ali/Is a memory I look on with pride/fought with my heart but needed much more/The bridesmaid but never the bride. I used to think that Lolich sucked with the Mets, but after reviewing his stats and starts from that year, he was a damn effective #4 starter. How Mickey still had an arm when he pitched for us is amazing. Raymond Malcuit Jr. Although Mick was not the same pitcher in NY that he was in Detroit, everyone seemed to like the guy. feat fan April 6, 2012 Stu Baron I have to respectfully disagree with NYB Buff's claim that Lolich belongs in Cooperstown. I kinda wish he had stayed with the Tigers and I could have rooted for him from afar. Mickey Lolich was the greatest left handed pitcher in the whole world to me in 1968, He was even greater than Denny. support. He had a 2.59 ERA at the end of July. Larry Burns Like Seaver and Koosman, Mickey had pretty meager run support throughout his career. April 23, 2003 He may have left behind a fine legacy in Detroit but when he got to New York he stunk.You weren't happy with Rusty and we weren't happy with Lolich, so let's just call the trade a wash. Case closed. April 27, 2013 senor ortiz Bob P Lolich - donuts Staub - steak.The food metaphor of trading a steak for a donut is accurate in this and many Mets trades.Would love to see a book written with lists and analysis of all Mets trades. Bartolo Colon etc). Pitchers have good days and then once in a while they hang a curve? - Now for the trade itself. Joe body would be a pretty slender person. Five years before he became a Met, Lolich threw for 376 innings! Lolich - donuts Staub - steak.The food metaphor of trading a steak for a donut is accurate in this and many Mets trades.Would love to see a book written with lists and analysis of all Mets trades. The Staub trade was ridiculous but not Lolich's fault. However, I remember Lolich as being quite portly, so his true weight was a lot more than 170 pounds. October 4, 2005 Lolich's main purpose was to pitch and he couldn't even do that for us. Bartolo Colon etc). I'll take Mickey's pitching line - except for W&L - any time. (And of course Donald Grant) The Mets had to fill 2 corner outfield spots and first base. December 8, 2006 senor ortiz But what can you expect when the team only averaged 3.4 runs for Seaver per start and 3.3 for Lolich? GoMets2006 The plan was apparently: Vail LF/RF, Kingman LF/RF/1B, Milner, LF/RF/1B for those three spots. He was my dad's favorite Met, though, I think because here was a gut with a gut as big as my dad's who was out there flinging baseballs for money. Joe was hit by a Bob Moose pitch to drive in the tying run, but the '76 Mets couldn't stand such success, as two singles and a double play grounder by future Mets coach Bill Robinson in the top of the 10th off Skip Lockwood gave the Bucs a 2-1 win. Mickey Lolich was a great pitcher in the American League. September 29, 2007 September 24, 2005 (thankfully returning in '81). June 30, 2019 May 6, 2003 Mickey Lolich was the greatest left handed pitcher in the whole world to me in 1968, He was even greater than Denny. As far as who got the better of the Staub for Lolich deal: Rusty went on to have several excellent seasons in a Tiger uniform. A Staub-Kingman combo would have provided more run support for big three, and probably a 90+ win season. June 30, 2019 '', ''I'm always here,'' Lolich replied, autographing a pastry box. Mickey loved his Harley. Another guy who didn't get enough run support, and - yes - he ended up being blamed for the Staub trade rather than Grant himself. As somebody mentioned previously, this is really all Mike Vail's fault. Five years before he became a Met, Lolich threw for 376 innings! Lolich committed to playing 2 years for the Mets, but then reneged on that promise. But this one defied all logic from the beginning. Koufax would have 175 by the All-Star Break. eddiek Perfect for planning your Mets pilgrimages! 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