What is the Caernarvon? The long 88 can kill the Cent before it can point precisely on its turret cheek. That's your personal preference. Justifications for War and Peace in the Scriptures of the Abrahamic Religions. Thats why the Germans tend to be passive. With the (by my understanding) more recent ai changes in air realistic battles the ai is now invulerable to most guns, this also led to a lack of engagement in the maps that were made to adapt the changes, are there plans to change the current player-a.i. This is why nobody takes anyone who believes in tygor syndrom seriously. Despite the hype, Allied fighter-bombers are not hypermaneuverable UFOs when they're laden with their payloads--they're easy meat for things like the Bf 109s and La-5s. While German vehicles cannot quite match others vehicles in a drag race, this does not mean German vehicles are bad. Mobility - and this is actually the main point. Terrible survivability (carousel and 3 crew). Just check the loadout on allied planes. Probably you should just Okha the last bomb into the target, cause rearming takes too long anyways. There is 0 reason why an AD-4 or P-47 should be causing you any issue. Penetration analysis is bugged with AP and APDS. I can go grab the pictures if you'd like as proof. In this video, I and a couple of friends play one of the best lineups in the game.#warthunder #germany #friends Thus then other nations get the impression that Germany is both OP, but still their players while about wanting better tanks. Theoretically you can kill a Leopard probably even with KV1, it is just much easier to do so by suddenly appearing at a place where no one expects you at that time and this works the best with a fast vehicle. Panthers has not too much problems in their brs. With a few more wins per hundred matches, they'd be. It takes about 0.5-1s to stop but experienced player can fire earlier - APHE just needs to hit center-mass of a Centurion to kill it. Mobility is the aspect that most German vehicles are less focused on than their peers, but this is made up for by the Germans better firepower/armor than their peers. Even I--a German player myself--am commonly hounded over this, despite presenting a great deal of strong testimony thats based on many years experienc. Germany suffers (and others too), balance, br, tanks, jets, etc. Uptiers are a pervasive issue for every nation at one point or another, with the severity of this problem varying widely. Alternatively they could bring in an ground attacker with a better CAS loadout, but in turn be utterly outmatched when it comes to fighting for control of the sky. Absolutely you're right on that point, but let's turn the tables here for some perspective. Of course the thick armor and good gun can be an advantage. Side turret is 150mm or higher so angling is really easy as well. Maus at 7.0? There are many, many more ways in which Germany is claimed to suffer--these are just a few that I chose to address for this first post. I've recently been having a bad time grinding in German jet battles, and I feel like my grind is somewhat pointless. June 1st, 2020 - panzer ii panzerkampfwagen ii pzkpfw ii sdkfz 121 was a light tank produced in germany in the 1930s until the outbreak of war between germany and the ussr tank . This pretty much says it all, and it describesa fundamental problem with ground RB: the fastesttanks with decent firepowerare the only vehicles in WT that can set up ambushes early game (which helps setting up ambushes mid and late game as well); slower TDs and tanks can't fulfill this role in WT even if they were designed specifically for this purpose and fulfilled it very successfully irl; the brawling maps which drastically cut down the range of engagementscombined with the "early game race" effectively prevents this. 2. The Soviet nation has very little at 6.X--almost as few vehicles as the Americans do at 4.X. The Germany newbies will complain that their chosen tank sucks and the Germany veterans are in their meta premiums taking out entire enemy teams. There are major gaps in all the TTs that need to be addressed. Call me when it has the bombs and rockets just like the allies. Hard cover will always be superior to armor in WT. Only salt and betrayal.Thanks for watching!Subscribe for decent content next time (hopefully). It's strengths clearly outweighs it's burdens when the game is based around city/village structures. If you turn it to the side you just shoot the huge side of the turret. Besides, Panther II mounts the long 88 so T__ tanks still can and will bounce it with ease. Because its slow and big? In general, German win rates are in the 40s even at their lowest and this means that they're near the balancing point (the 45-55% range, being within +/-5 of 50%). He travelled over doctor oz supplement ed Greece and Arabia, and wrote a history of the doctor for gods, in which . Lets assume competent players who don't gamble. germany 5.3-6.3 problem its the same as soviet mbts 8.7-10.3 problem. 1 Description 2 General info 2.1 Survivability and armour 2.2 Mobility 2.3 Modifications and economy 3 Armaments 3.1 Main armament 3.1.1 Ammunition 3.1.2 Ammo racks 3.2 Machine guns 4 Usage in battles 4.1 Pros and cons 5 History 6 Media 7 See also 8 External links Description This is the same reason I don't accept the "muh KV1-B" argument or "muh KV-220" because most players can't even use these vehicles. The armor is nowhere never Tiger II H level. Get comfy and ambush them,you said it yourself he has five options give him a sixth one he forgot, two places they'll never look behind themselves or above themselves or I guess threeif you count beingfar away. The latter is mostly forgotten as in this gamewe currently only have a very basic steering system wherethey turn by applying breaks to one track to initiate the turn. What? 6. Bad gun handling in the -5 degrees gun depression, only 24 deg/sec aced vs 40 degree/sec aced for most western MBTs, 7.1s reload, slower than 120mm which is 6.36 or 6 seconds. The T34 where as it has more penetration it has a longer reload and solid shot which recently seems to have suffered a reduced damage output off it round. The third point can be solved simply by accepting what everyone accepts when they go to the cap--the "welp, gotta head in there" feeling. 20112022 Gaijin Games Kft. I'd love to hear an in depth explanation of why you think that. So if you fall for him turning the gun and you still shoot the breach rather than the side of the turret thats a player error and isn't much of a arguement. Of course it does, but this is not the argument here. #warthunder #shorthunder Hey! And that is harder than the relatively obvious strategies for Soviet and American vehicles, especially when the allies can grab the objectives AND the flanks and wait until they win by ticket bleed. The Panther by contrasthave close to no reverse. Hell even the FV4202 has a strong enough turret to confidently bounce long 75s and russian guns. 20112022 Gaijin Games Kft. 'German players' are not somehomogenous group, clearly people play different nations. As a seasoned German player, I can tell you their firepower is at least as valuable as the Allies' speed. lol Germany (especially around the BR you're playing at) has literally some of the most insanely OP lineups in the game - packed with tanks / SPAA / CAS spam vehicles with mostly low spawn costs. I'm a regular war thunder player if you want to contact me= discord= TelDu3998we also have our own discord server https://dis. This is a battle of patience and cunning. -ifa potential target learns the maps thisscenario can be avoided, - If the slow tank manages to guess the attack strategy of the faster tank he can setup and counter-ambush, - if there is position that overlooks the entire cap point and if you can reach it fast enough (so should be on your half of the map), - if you take your time to get to the cap point and the M18 doesn't use this time to simply cap. That ammo should not be stock! In a 1 on 1 I would just throw a dice and pick one possible option hoping that he will appear there? And Germany has long 88s also at 5.7. From mud, through blood, to the green fields beyond. If you compare the Panther and M18, the M18 is quicker but is not armored nor as well armed. All trademarks, logos and brand names are the property of their respective owners. The second was the Persian Gulf War era Challenger 1, which was the British army's main battle tank (MBT) from the early 1980s to the mid-1990s. This is something that only the brits can do reliably at this BR and you can't just discount it as an advantage. A T34 hull down has 200-300mm of frontal protection, 150mm-200mm of side protection, and 200mm of rear protection. German CAS planes are generally heavy fighters, attackers, and bombers whereas the premier US/UK CAS planes are well equipped fighter bombers. For the record, I am always sporting a tank only line-up in ground battles, I just hate planes and helis in ground battles. How do you bounce on a flat piece of armour? Most guns can penetrate it from the front. Like I said earlier I think it's important to take a step back and realize what we are talking about here isn't just a drag race but definitely more complicated than so. SIKE German mains am I right? In a standard WT match, do I try to command people using the chat to go to certain positions which they won't do? The F-4F Phantom II is a rank VII German jet fighter with a battle rating of 11.0 (AB/RB/SB). If a person is to look at other trees and seek to understand the problems they face, far worse MM can be found. This puts Germany in a lose/lose position when choosing their plane to call in. They've been in the game for years so to state that they've dropped off the face of the earth is anything but true. I just read this post and simply had to react because you draw all the wrong conclusions. And it is this knowledge that will the panther driver often stop from advancing beyond certain points on the map, because he thinks: " There is probably a M18 on the enemy team and based on my experience and knowledge of the map I know that beyong this point there is a high chance that the M18 is somewhere on the edge of the map behind a hill and is waiting till I leave my cover. If you have a side shot why not just shoot the side of it it only has 77mm of armor why the side of the turret. The Me 410 B-6/R3 is considerably more competitive than people think. Theres was no reason to add them for almost every US tanks in War Thunder. And the Tiger 2s consistently bounce shells they are by no means slouches and have a thicker hull than the T series which will say no to most rounds that fly at it outside of apds which can be angled to avoid for the most part and or heat. At 6.7 the US T series are much more survivable when it comes to being hit. I lately used my FW190 D13 with one 500kg bomb as Fighter/Ground Attacker. In a 1 on 1 I would just throw a dice and pick one possible option hoping that he will appear there? So, lets dive in to look at some of the most common claims: One of the most common complaints that is leveled against the nation of Germany is a perceived lack of mobility. Centurions have a 2-plane stabilizer that for some reason acts like it's from 2020, which lets you use hard cover or play behind a hill, only popping your turret out briefly to take easy shots. In Panther? Isn't it a bit dishonest to completely "forget" to bring out the more negative aspects of the panther? Now, lets address the imagined problems of Germany so that the real ones can be identified and addressed! warrior412, February 10, 2020 in General & Upcoming. For instance: in the M18's case, this is manifest in its far greater bounciness. Thank you for your attention and have a nice day! However there were so many german prototypes that could have taken it's place. Threads 63 Messages 220. . The Tiger IIs' cannons do not bounce like M18s on trampolines, no matter how much people pretend that they do. There is a great deal of difference in comparing the significance of gun handling of two medium tanks and that of a lightweight TD and a heavyweight medium tank. According to this complaint, Germanys mobility is insufficient to be competitive in RB GFs, with the greatest concentration of this complaint being focused on the 5.X range. Aside from the pre-nerf Horton flying wing, Germany really hasn't had a plane that could both match allied CAS's ability to make multiple strikes against hard targets and simultaneously hold its own in securing the airspace. Nope but you will have your own luxuries instead, the fact that you knew what he was trying to pull off and decided toplan his demise in advanceand he won't have aclue until its too late. Just shoot turret for an easy penetration anywhere within 2km, and watch as the king tigers ammo gives a nice firework display. With a few more wins per hundred matches, they'd be at that point. True, I had the T-44 in mind when I made that post though. First of all the amount of smoke the projectile generates when it strikes a target is ridiculous. The only way the Germans can use their strengths to dominate such maps is with good teamplay. (and enjoy the performance of APCR). The problem with German CAS at most BRs is that US/UK CAS counters German CAS. France truly suffers, the major trees offer too much, France needs more! And just to be fair, the introduction of M41 to the German tree has improved the situation dramatically. The issue is that T__ are better than every heavy in game all the way up until the IS-3, and their BR should reflect that. Turret armor>>>hull armor for a number of reasons. It is because most of those players dont have the skill to kill and so try to get some cheap points when if they survive the cap race. (Oh how many times I have shot the IS6 turret from 400m and all I did was turn the gunner yellow) Plus they have things like T44 which are very bouncy to the 88. I have said quite the opposite honestly. You make it sound like the T series doesn't have to aim for weak points also. Removing the Panther II made sense if the game was aiming for historical accuracy. All trademarks, logos and brand names are the property of their respective owners. That's just how a downtier works no matter the battlerating. I don't feel I need assume such things as this is already quite relevant to my interests. When you have 2 identical vehicles performing differently by a noticeable margin with the only variable being the people who play them, it really makes you wonder. You can't aim when they shot in your direction. The Panthers' reverse situation is one that's not terribly extraordinary because poor reverse speed is a commonplace of many tanks--particularly those of the British. Join the Discord Here: https://discord.gg/cgctjTR5hjHope you all enjoy this video/short from an interesting moment in-game! Otherwise we can also assume incompetent Panther players who just drive on the highest hill and stand in the open hoping that noone sees them and try to snipe enemies. Eh, the significance of this is overstated. I myself often wonder why German players don't just take out their CAS when playing against 5.7-7.7 brits for example, since most of the brit tanks at that level can be easily penned even by .50 cal weapons from the air. Only if you let him, if you did the smart thing you will set the rules of engagement and battleground long before they even considered such a thing. FRENCH AVIATION TREE IS A JOKE! 20112022 Gaijin Games Kft. Its a fine argument, it fits into the"why would I drive over there to shoot them from 10 feet awaywhen I can sit here 1000+ meters away and kill them?" Meanwhile the M18 will be sitting in the ambush or going around the cap into your back because he know that you will not dare to cap. The first two points can be resolved by reforming the German tree to not have the jumps that it has and by requiring players to unlock more vehicles to progress to such higher BRs (as other nations have). You have to constantly be aware of this. The stock ammo for them is useless! Is this being discussed? That is basically telling your enemy "I am here" and to commit assisted suicide. 4. While mobility has it's place, it's only one of the triad of armament, armor and mobility. 1. By and large, Germanys main strength is firepower with armor being the secondary asset. The complaint is one thats pretty common for all nations--uptiers. This is a subreddit for War Thunder, a cross platform vehicular combat MMO developed by Gaijin Entertainment for Microsoft Windows, macOS, Linux, PlayStation 4, PlayStation 5, Xbox One and Xbox Series X|S. Your best chance would be using Japan yourself, Ah I see. I take the 110G into every BR range before radar SPAA. It was introduced in Update "Red Skies". I've whacked Leopards with my SU-5-1 but didn't have much to do with the vehicles. Other nations have a lot of fast backups with good guns, like the M18, T114, M50, ASU 85, Falcon etc. Up until only pz 2 is miserable a bit compare to m3 or bt7 etc. (well until last update and the introduction of M41). Vehicles, Still a lot more intuitive. He can just wait till you start to cap and go around you. interactions? And as I've tested myself it was consistent to take out the 2 crew members on the one side of the breach ay 400 meters. You can flank it and still fail to pen with many of the guns at this BR. Pretty immune to 88's. If anyone has any genuine strategy for killing T__ I'm all ears. Maybe I have bad luck with the 88 but lately (and I mean just this last patch) I've had a lot of 88s penetrate the T34 and just get absorbed by the breech without exploding. Really? 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It depends; the objectives can be just as deadly for lightweights too. On the contrary, the mixture of traits that German vehicles get is often favorable. Well that's it I guess. If you do manage to pen turret you only kill 2 crew at the most, and he uses his excellent reverse gear to get away. 3 . Russians are a mixed bag but to Kill an IS6 or IS3 is usually a combination of skill and luck as they are mostly immune to the long 88. Nope, reversing back takes forever, turning as well and will expose your sides, running forward to flank doesn't work either. Is a panther really a good vehicle for flanking? If you haven't noticed I'm implying being one/two steps ahead. Yeah, i totally wonder why you never see people playing them, but I still see the same ol team comps of 90% tiger 2s. Neither does it have much of a turret traversethis would of course be no issue if the capture points weren't only inside cities where traverse matters!). Maps in air battles are sometimes given to br.s that have no way of properly using them (I hear top jets get tiny maps sometimes) and low speed props get huge maps sometimes (even in jets some of the maps make no sense, why would I fly an Me262 for ten minutes to stress out about my 2 sec window to hit an a.i. They are the equivalent to the surge of M22s that the allies occasionally see when some overly loud youtuber decides to make a video about "haha ebic meme tank"causing an influx. It's scary and you die whichever you run into. Also, most capture points are arranged such to allow for substantial firing work into/out of them from such ranges. The T29 has a better gun and marginally better mobility, as well as better mantlet armor. If you pen hull, his gun is still operational and he just shoots you. @Loongsheepwell, except that you can just lolpen the entire front with APDS. Especially for such high brs. Which is situational and works only on several maps. Everything about the HRE, NGC, GE, WR, GR, SP, FRG and GDR. As someone who has played all nations, I have had the opportunity to play with and against German tanks. As far as I know, nothing about that have been mentioned since it was "being worked on" back in 2017. But to the long 88 you can kill them rather easily. Those three qualities are what control the tank's ability. I've had heat go through and kill the guy that fired the round but never not blocked the shot. It has a good gun, but it is about as slow as it gets, not to mention it makes the panthers reverse speed look fast. And the T series has a thick turret but the tiger 2 has a better hull. Most German fighters can either take a 500kg bomb or a 250kg bomb. Ok, so you don't agree that it is easier to flank with small and fast vehicles? And that goes for anyone regardless of nation. I think that is what contributes in combination with what you mentioned for the low WR of Germans at the 5.7-6.7 BR range. Click here to jump to that post. And we can't skip over the SPAAs either when discussing counters against CAS. T92, T114 are the most common culprits but yes there are more. It would actually give Germany some nice, War Thunder map friendly brawling options, like T-34's, IS-2's, T-54's, as well as some lower BR MBT's with decent armour, like T-55's, T-72's etc. I'd certainly replace the Hs 129B-2/MK 103 if the Bf 110G was a Tier III vehicle. Pretty unfair that almost all US tanks have those AA HMGs. This by the way also the reason why you quite often see the SDKFZ 234, a BR 2,7 vehicle, in 6.7 matches. #15. If they're not interested in moving the follow up question should be why they don't when in German vehicles. I am losing a little over half my team (if my team is made up of mainly germans, which it generally is, otherwise about a quarter leave) before the 3 minute . And brand names are the most common culprits but yes there are more game was aiming for accuracy. 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