You dont just go out and buy thousands of dollars worth of shit just before filing bankruptcy and expect to keep it. She was an independent representative for the multi-level marketing company Le-Vel. He was an average student, pretty smart. I believe CW told NK and SW exactly what each of them wanted to hear to fit his narrative and his end-game. He is also reportedly back in touch with Kessinger, who changed her name after the murders, per Daily Mail. To me inside he was a volcano just waiting to erupt. Shan'ann thought - or hoped - the marriage was stuttering slightly. Thank you Dr. Van De Leek for your enlightament, You have even managed to make it readable and easy to read. It paints Watts less a coward than as someone who was bullied into towing a line, until things got desperate. You spoil us with love an attention! In an . Hes the best dad us girls could ask for., Need help? She said he had an empty head, forget everything. Chris had already killed Shanann, four-year-old Bella and three-year-old Celeste on Monday, August 13. Why does everyone on this thread seem so willing to badmouth a victim none of you have met? No joke. That router article is amazing work Nick! Its not a nice feeling. Her friend tried to soothe her, to no avail. Wake up to the day's most important news. And so I agree with you Holly that five week taste of freedom sealed the deal, and he couldnt go back to business as usual. A puzzle that is missing many key pieces. Chris Watts opened up about the many cracks in his marriage shortly after being sentenced to life in prison without parole for murdering his family. So I do wonder did Shanann ever really acknowledge why Chris may have been unhappy? From the . I also think she used her physical hardships once again to play on his sympathies, sort of like a book of struggles, but he had already turned a deaf ear. He had policies on his kids and wife. Offline, however, the text messages between Shanann and Chris and Shanann and her friends painted a starkly different picture. He wants to fade into the background. Shananns worries about her marriage had eaten up her confidence in Chris and their bond together. On Nov. 6, Watts pleaded guilty to the nine charges he faced, including five counts of first-degree murder. Totally depressed, unable to eat or sleep and wondering how she was going to make it on her own. ; she had already spent several *5* or so weeks without him before and that was the unfortunate reasoning for the freedom to start his affair with NK. I think she emasculated Chris. Many commenters expressed shock that a father who, by online accounts, appeared to love his family so much could brutally take their lives, as police have alleged. But Chris was already involved in an affair: He had become intimate with an unwitting co-worker who believed he was getting a divorce from his wife. After he strangled her Chris said. Shanann was married to a man named Leonard Kim and they got divorced in 2009. LEONARD had heard that SHANANN was really involved in . On Aug. 15, 2018, less than a week after his wife and daughters disappeared, Chris Watts failed a polygraph test. If she hated him so much, why didnt she leave him? Oct. 29 2020, Published 3:05 p.m. Millions of people face this everyday, I know I did. On August 13, 2018, Chris strangled Shanann in their Colorado home. The fact that Shanann was talking to a divorce lawyer about custody in April, three-and-a-half months before the murders, suggests there was a protracted period of unhappiness, and acknowledgement from both sides that things were falling apart. She started seeing signs long before he killed them even confiding in a friend I dont think hes cheating on me as he has no game! I am so very sorry all of this happened but perhaps it gives pause for thought when making decisions. She was a victim of the Watts Family Murders that occurred on August 13, 2018, in Frederick, Colorado. It was reported that she made $80,000 a year. Weve never had a problem in our relationship like this. Not a popular opinion. Shan'ann posted videos onto social media promoting selling Le-Vel's wellness supplement Thrive. Shanann Watts appeared to be fighting for her marriage up until she was murdered by her husband Chris Watts.. Just a couple of weeks after the first trailer for American Murder: The Family Next . Later, Chris confessed to murdering Shanann and his daughters. Only parents can say that. https://www.businessinsider.co.za/professions-with-the-most-psychopaths-2018-5?r=US&IR=T. That same month Shanann and her daughters flew to North Carolina for six weeks to visit family, per Pop Sugar. However, at the same time he was telling Kessinger a slightly different story. Shanann Watts, 34, posted the creepy image to Facebook on August 9 She appeared to think her daughters, ages three and four, posed the doll Shanann and the two girls were all killed days. Granted, this is much, much worse than that, but there may be a clue to the criminal psychology in the family dynamics. It was so refreshing to finally see an actual, logical response. If this information is available somewhere where I can access it can you tell me where? Shanann and her unborn child were found in a shallow grave near the oil tanks where Watts dumped his children. During the welfare check, the police officer inspected the house but there were no signs of Shanann and her daughters. Shanann Watts worked for a multi-level marketing companywhileChris Watts was employed by Anadarko Petroleum (though he was fired on the day of his arrest) per The Coloradan. Chris likes other people calling the shots. This isnt the same obviously but it is the same mental state of mindsame thought processes. Shanann was still very good friends with her ex husbands mother too. It all goes back to SW having a similar strong personality to CWs mom, that is probably the sole reason CWs mom didnt like SW. Called him a wierdo one one of her nauseating THRIVE pitches. Was it weakness on his part or hers? The Colorado woman's husband, Chris - a normally loving affectionate man - had become cold and distant. It's no mystery, the Watts marriage was in trouble long before Shan'ann received that critical credit card alert on Saturday night, proving Watts wasn't at the Rockies Games, and suggesting he wasn't eating alone. The ex states Shanann states she left because domestic violence. Interesting points made here. He seems to be middle class, possibly depressed due to conflicts and internal struggles *possible psychological issues*, past violent behaviorhe seems like a silent passive-aggressive-explosive type that is unstable and unsteady. An officer arrived at about 1:40 pm to conduct a welfare check and had a discussion with Chris regarding the ways to locate his missing family. Later, Chris took Shananns body into the back of his work truck and also took his two daughters to the oil-storage site, where he first buried Shanann and then strangled both his daughters with a blanket and disposed of them in the oil tanks. CW family did it about her from the start without even giving her a chance. He considered his family an albatross around his neck and divorce was never an option for him after the pregnancy was announced. I also find that interesting which seems to me she couldnt handle conflict either. You have some real writing talent. Just Published! If she was (if she was making $80K a year) she would have to end up paying him child support. She worked at the hospital till 2016, and then, joined as an independent representative for Le-vel, a company that markets Thrive health and wellness products. He started working out and losing weight and passing glances with Kessinger in the hallway, lunch area, etc. Obviously Thrive was all BS and she was facing a pregnancy all by herself, flat broke and facing humiliation from her team/peers and raising kids by herself. Then he met and married Shannan and did whatever she told him to do. In many of Shananns videos she describes him a lot like that hell do whatever I tell him to do etc. Shanann was trying to make sense of it all. (He was moved out of Colorado for security reasons.). Think before you speak. I believe he didnt divorce her earlier because he needed to find someone else to take her place. He seems more of a background you and me conquer the world type of dreamer that dates women that are into the same kinksI truly think that is what it was (lust and disillusion) and once you get a taste of someone that flips that switch so to speak it is VERY hard to turn that off. Shanann thought or hoped the marriage was stuttering slightly. Chris was broken LONG before he met Shanann. They were spending more money than what was coming in and trying to live a wealthy life they could not afford. So why take the children out too? That is what makes this case all the more interesting, we had most of their life documented on social media and STILL cant figure it all out. Chris was released with pending legal proceedings after he posted $750,000 on December 1. Tons of couples go through this type of stuff! Even though the family had issues before their tragic endthey filed for bankruptcy in 2015 friends and neighbors called them the "perfect" family,per The Coloradan. There was never an investigation in the case, therefore its impossible to know who killed Shanann or the little girls. Chris and Shanann had their first date August 10, 2010. Yes . Chris did a lot to help around the house yes he was the father of the family. I dont think he seems like much of the lovey-dovey father/husband type. Place Where Shanann Watts Children were Hidden. I think he did use this separation or withdrawal narrative and allowed her to once again lead the conversations and try to pry and get more information for his gain and benefitthis would allow him to gaslight, manipulate, tell her what she wanted to hear. On August 9, Shanann left for a work trip to Arizona and returned the morning of August 13. Photo: Facebook, Netflix I guess what I cant get my mind around is how he moved from wanting out to strangling those little girls and his wife. Two days later, a body believed to be Shananns was found on property owned by Christophers employer, Anadarko Petroleum. Said, he refused couples counseling., Shanann was expecting a son they planned to name Niko. Shanann Watts was born on January 10, 1984 in Clifton, New Jersey, USA. I think she went off of what others told her about CW and what she saw for herselfher implying judgement on him, belittling his character, controlling, making off-hand commentsa lot of that is part of her character, she was outgoing, sarcastic and opinionated, that isnt always bad. How old was he? Guaranteed she didnt make enough to support herself, she needed Chris pay to keep her illusion going. He pleaded guilty that November to all three slayings. Perpetrators may control their victims using sexual, emotional, verbal, psychological, financial or digital abuse. ET. Once there, he smothered the girls and dumped the bodies of all three. I dated a narcissistic sociopath and I get how incredibly cold and unfeeling they can be. Strangely he could not give the exact date or year they got married. The YT video I watched as referenced above has a few parts to it that are quite informative and have helped me to fully understand both sides of this marriageand actually if you ask me, there were more than twothere were 4 CW, SW, NK and his parents (mom) were all involved in the marriage I think there were multiple influences and opinions that were making things toxic on both ends. On November 3, 2012, Chris and Shanann got married in the Mecklenberg County of North Carolina. She noted that most murders of American women are committed by intimate partners, not strangers. IDK just my two-centsit is hard to see in most families b/c not many of us post so openly about our daily lives. She could barely handle the 2 monsters she had, another on the way, and Chris did a lot around the house to help out with the girls, meanwhile she had them in school that cost them 2K per month. Shanann Watts reached out to a friend and shared her growing concerns about her marriage but she never suspected her life was in danger. She would have moved back to NC, had her parents look after the kids, gotten a regular ole job and not have been too happy. Required fields are marked *. But I could be wrong. If he was completely spineless he wouldnt have had the affair or committed the murder. He smothered his daughters to death, buried his wife in a shallow grave, dumped his daughters' bodies in an oil tank, then he went to work as if nothing happened. Chris pleaded guilty to the crimes that . Meanwhile Kessinger thought the marriage was over. She would have received spousal support but there is a time limit on that. You seem to like the psychopath label. Covert Narcissist are incapable of real love and learn early on to mimic. What was their age difference if he met her while she was still in high school? She would contact CW and NKs employer outing them and she would stir up ANY kind of shit she could even if it would be detrimental to her own children. On to your other pointsyes and no to CW being spinelesswhile he was having an affair AND it gave him his first taste of new freedom and excitement that would have quickly worn off once there wasnt a secret to keep/hide. I think it had more to do with her controlling ways and if she knew in her heart that was why he was becoming distant or non-communicative, she really didnt know how to change that about herself, and instead amped it up until co-existing with her became unbearable to him. Parents dont like to get involved in their grown adult childrens relationships or marital problems, I understand this. Its no mystery, the Watts marriage was in trouble long before Shanann received that critical credit card alert on Saturday night, proving Watts wasnt at the Rockies Games, and suggesting he wasnt eating alone. Maybe she liked him supporting her, but they were going to run out of money again. You spoil us with love an attention! There hasn't been a crime as chilling and tragic as the murder of Shanann Watts and her daughters in a long time. This is not necessarily true, but it could be true. should communicate even if it is good or bad information. But what made it so difficult to interrupt the happy family fairy tale? Im sure not uncommon for cheaters. He remarried and has kids. I think they were married 3-4 years. A lot of people seem to side with Shanann because shes the victim. I need you to meet me halfway. Being open and honest is the best way to prosper individually and as a couple. Over the summer of 2018, Chris Watts changed. In an effort to avoid the death sentence, he had pled guilty on Nov. 6, 2018 to killing his pregnant 34-year-old wife Shanann Watts, and their daughters, Bella, 4, and Celeste, 3, not quite three months earlier.And the five life sentences that would be handed down weeks laterplus additional time for the murder of his unborn son . Wedding Picture of Shanann and Chris Watts. The following day, the Colorado Bureau of Investigation and the FBI joined the investigation. After the film was released, Shananns family condemned the film and said that the filmmakers were only making money off the case. They argued and he strangled her. To her credit she was, and she did. I am also wondering if he had some sort of a recreational drug usethe Oxy being given to SW by CW for the abortion could have been something from his own use for fun with NK?! In August of this year, Shanann Watts' marriage was crumbling. She was making it very difficult for him to go through with a divorce. Odd that when her marriage to King ran into trouble her behavior exactly mirrored that of Chris in the months before the murders: Not waning to engage in conversation, shutting down, withdrawing, physically distancing herself within the home, etc. She realized she was belittling him, and too controlling, and expressed concern to Nickole about how shje was behaving and treating people. Interesting none-the-less. Theres also the reality check that she might not have been able to leave the state if Chris filed for joint custody. I like your thoughts too, Holly. But even most narcissistic sociopaths dont strangle people. Need help? I know we cant judge a parent by a few videos, but I didnt see the passionatly loving parent or strong engagement between he and his kids. In his own words: In his own words: August 13th, morning of, I went to the girls' room first, before Shanann and . Hammering away relentlessly. At some point she was finished with the relationship and iced him out. Shan'ann Cathryn Watts, born Shan'ann Rzucek was the late wife of murderer Chris Watts. But wasn't he eligible for the GI Bill hmmmmm? They met in 2010 through mutual friends and married in November 2012. Shanann hiding her possible impending divorce, goes along with her living in denial as she does when she tells her Thrive clients that shes a better mother and all around human being because she wears a patch, eats the bars and drinks the shakes. I felt all along there was apparently a rush by the prosecution to get this case brought to closure while ignoring various aspects that to me were very important. So why didnt Watts just get a divorce, like the district attorney said? LEONARD reported that he and SHANANN married in 2002/2003 and divorced in 2007/2008 in SC. R.I.P Shanann, Bella, Celeste and Nico . He then dumped his children's bodies on an oil site owned by the company he worked for. The grass always looks greener when you are looking at a fantasy. Said he thought another baby would fix his feelings. You are the reason I was brave enough to agree to number 3!, On June 19, she posted a screenshot of their texts after she sent him a photo of her ultrasound; he replied that he loved the little peanut already. In 2015, Shanann and Chris Watts filed for bankruptcy, listing their liabilities at $400,000. I read a study on LIVID COERCIVE killers who are motivated by anger and rageshowing control issues (recent) and may have abusive tendencies and have issues achieving their self-worth and authority within the home. Between his mother controling him all thru his years growing up and then Shanann taking control, a person can only take so much. Only thing I can think of even though I dont think he has it in him is another girl. thats all she cared about period. Regardless she didnt murder her children, the psychopath Chris Watts took their lives . They were a family. Chris boss spoke very highly of him in the first phone interview with the CBI. Did Chris Watts not mind his wife Shanann humiliating him on Facebook? Thats so sad. When you think about it it makes no sense Shanann would want to rekindle a romantic flame with Watts at Myrtle Beach then invite her parents along (and children). At first, Christ had told the police that he did not know where his wife and two daughters were and he hadnt seen his wife since he left for the work at 5:15 am on August 13. The baby was a way of Chris Watts wanting sex so instead of just asking for sex he says why dont we try for another child. For those who may be experiencing intimate partner violence from an abuser and were not certain that is the case here they are able to fit into a societal norm, the perfect family.. "Chris these have been the best years of my life! That is a comment that should never have been said; parenthood is exhausting and social media never forgives human missteps. There are family annihilation cases each year ~ but I heard that this one took the prize in victim blaming. I think the parents were used as a shield, the children too, so that she would not be alone with Watts in a small hotel room trying to work out their issues and his absolutely apparent, angry and distant demeanor toward her. Choosing his clothes, his meals, his everything. Taylor, "We will get together when I get home". The American cable channel Lifetime released a film called Chris Watts: Confessions of a Killer on January 26, 2020. This was supposed to trigger the annihilation that followed. Its 2018, but in many families there is still shame associated with being a victim of domestic violence, and survivors often try to put a good face on the relationship, said Kim Gandy, president of the National Network to End Domestic Violence. Shananns family has said Christopher, 33, confessed to killing his wife and children. Watts was sentenced to life in prison without the possibility of parole. I cant come back like this. Her first marriage/husband Discussion I'm interested in Shannan's first marriage. This case does offer a caution to other couples to communicate openly from both sides, whether from the side being overly controlling or the side that is crushed-in, and being controlled. 80,000 was between both of their salaries. they were flirting long before they ever hooked up and each knew the other was interested in them. THIS IS TOTAL LEFT FIELD.. A more assertive divorce narrative [to Kessinger]. Shanann Watts and the girls had gone to visit her . But besides the reference above, from page 2106 of the Discovery Discovery documents, we also know that Shanann herself was openly discussing the prospect of divorce as early as March or April 2018, at least a month before she fell pregnant. Days before she was murdered by her husband, 34-year-old Shanann Watts reached out to a friend and shared her growing concerns about her marriage -- but she never suspected she was in danger. Chris also said he couldnt talk to her, she wouldnt listen. Have you forgotten what he did to her and his own children? way out by divorcing instead of killing her. Height [1]IMDb jQuery('#footnote_plugin_tooltip_2575_1_1').tooltip({ tip: '#footnote_plugin_tooltip_text_2575_1_1', tipClass: 'footnote_tooltip', effect: 'fade', predelay: 0, fadeInSpeed: 200, delay: 400, fadeOutSpeed: 200, position: 'top right', relative: true, offset: [10, 10], });: 5 5. Youre right about him being spineless, but hes not completely spineless. He takes her side in the nutgate incident and its possible hed already made up his mind what he was going to do so he could act like he was on her side knowing it really didnt make much difference, he was going to get rid of everyone anyway. DENVER (AP/CBS4) Chris Watts, the sole suspect arrested in the murder of his pregnant wife and two young daughters, before dumping their bodies at an . OK honey. One of the jobs typically associated with psychopaths are salespeople. I dont know if Shanann could have acclamated herself to a different lifestyle, honestly I guess well never know. He was denied bail at his first court appearance. , but law enforcement has not publicly confirmed it. Only he took them out first, because he knew he was going to end her life as soon as she got home. Similar to C&S relationship. Remains believed to belong to their two children were. They may feel emasculated and when the marriage begins to fail, they lose control and parts of their own identitythis kind of melds into the CIVIL REPUTABLE killer when it comes to identity and it appears both CW and SW had their complete lives wrapped up in their family. She didnt break him. She was a fraud plain and simple. Watts said he strangled Shanann in their bed after he said she told her their marriage was over and she said he would never see their children again. And Leonard King said the same thing that it was virtually impossible to engage her in conversation. To her he was in the midst of a divorce, and by the time of the murders the divorce was being finalized, and so was the sale of the house. He hasnt touched me all week, kissed me, talked to me except for when Im trying to figure out what is wrong, Shanann explained in another text. IMO they were talking divorce/separation for quite some time, possibly a year.>>>Agreed. Once you start, like with everything that unfolded and spiraled out of control, you cant stop or turn back. As early as August 8th, Shanann confided in Cassie Rosenberg and Nickole Atkinson that her husband wanted a divorce [she didnt], but not right away. In an interview with a. , Christopher said he and his wife had an emotional conversation before her disappearance, and he pleaded for her and the kids to come home. Specially after they are both dead! This may sound strange but he could have done it to have them be with her in death. It was clear from the messages that Shanann's marriage was in crisis, Chris was at best apathetic about the new baby, the couple had serious financial problems, and Shanann had begun to suspect Chris was cheating on her. We dont know whether there had been violence during their marriage, but it would not be surprising that Shanann tried to project a positive image to her friends and colleagues, both on and off of social media.. November 19 saw Chris getting five life sentences: three consecutive and two concurrent, without the possibility of parole; an additional 48 years for the unlawful termination of his wifes pregnancy; 36 years for three charges of tampering with a deceased body. 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