25 0.1405 The conversion file will convert tapers for Solid and Fluted rods for quad, penta, hepta, and oct construction. Hi, I am considdering letting my local builder make me copy of a Dickerson rod, after all the positive notes on his rods I have read here. Inquiring solvent-afflicted minds want to know. He took the first step to improving them, inadvertently, you say, by fining down the tips. Orvis passed the 60,000 bamboo rods made number quite some time back and of course is still making them. 0.102 Great conversation. (Chris Obuchowski). 95 0.3435 (Tom Bowden). (There is a table of blue numbers for each rod section). The best reason that I can give you as to why Dickersons are popular tapers (Along with another Michigan maker Paul Young) is that they are nice casting rods and fit our fishing very well. At the Grayling gathering, Bill Harms gave a presentation of Marinaro's approach to rod design. Gillum Rods. One of my favorite rods is a linear taper with a "slope" of .290/100". If you are looking for a Dickerson rod or have one that you would like to sell please contact us. I'll give you a bit of background on the question. How drastically do you think it would change the action if I pushed the swell out in front of the handle? I like 8013's. All sections are full length and straight. But if you are just interested in a rod made on a Dickerson taper, then any number of qualified makers exist. 0.248 35 .207 .086 I have a tough time roll casting over about 65' with any rod, no matter how long or limber. 0.128 Apparently, the 'old masters' were just building fishing rods and not too worried about picking the fly poop out of the pepper. by softstick 05/09/09 04:36, Post This will be three tips (light, heavy and SLT), three butts (light, heavy, SLT), a parabolic and a hinge. But if you decide to tell the world that this is therefore the right way to design a fishing rod then I'm going to disagree with you!" ), Then as it was, then again it will be. Special Note on this rod/ All the snake guides on the tip are 2/0 and the mid are 1/0 with a 8 stripper on butt section. It was normal at the time to fit ferrules to the tip and undercut the butt to fit. Whether Dickerson tweaked them to suit individuals or not I can't say. . My first few 8013's have 13/64 ferrules and one of them broke off INSIDE of the ferrule. Made by Top Ten Tapers in Twinsburg, Ohio. Here are the numbers someone else posted earlier this year for the Dickerson 8014 GS. Its just simply to do with maximum stiffness (IE minimum deflection) for a given material weight. I made the Dickerson 7613 from the numbers in Jack Howells book. 6-strip Tonkin bamboo (Bob Norwood). (Timothy Troester). That's so the swell is still in the action length. the stated ferrule dimensions always follow from the TIP dimensions, not the butt dimensions. Sold Out $4,050.00 Description Particulars For your consideration is a Lyle Dickerson model 8013 bamboo fly rod made in 1948. Rod makers history, value guide and general discussion, Link to Orvis Database by Greg Reynolds, Link to EC Powell's Mechanics of fly casting. Powered by Shopify. The 1952 Dickerson is similar to the GW except it's a 5/6 wt. In practice most people these days do not take well to these technically correct ideas, preferring a slope to the straight line, giving higher strain levels near the tip, i.e. I have built Russ' version, which I believe was posted yesterday, and I love it. The mid sections are very different. You don't find a need for a 7'6" 5wt on your streams. It didn't make since to me but went ahead and planed the butt section the way it was listed. You can build this rod and have a neutral action rod (my term). Starting at a tip dimension specific to a given line weight you add diameter to the length of the rod in linier increments until you reach the rod length you want. (Greg Reeves), TipsHome - What'sNew - Tips - Articles - Tutorials - Contraptions - Contributors - Search Site - ContactUs - TaperArchives Summers & Co. - Womens Sports ApparelBob with Granddaughter Cara FlyfishingGreat Brown, Rainbow and Cutthroat Fly FishingOutdoor Writer and Used Book SalesFishing and Wing Shooting Guide ServiceGreat Lakes Charter FishingSporting JewlerCustom GunsmithingFine Hand EngravingFine Reel & Rod Cases, 90 River Road, EastTraverse City, Michigan 49696 USAPhone/Fax (231) 946-7923bobsummers@charter.net, 2222 - 7. Dickerson 801611-D - 8ft 3pc 7wt Posted by Jeremy Gray, Aug 30, 2000. Dave Norling, Rush River Rods, makes a stepdown 13/12 ferrule, the only size stepdown that he offers , that works very well for this taper. If you were to design rods using a visual representation of it's deflection then deviation from a straight line doesn't matter. That's the "raw cane" numbers. And why not? Rods also tend to have varying sweet spots in terms of when the amount of line out feel just right. Narrow steam but very exposed and windy thus needing a #5 line? The Dickerson 7612 taper a smooth medium action 4 wt that is 7 1/2 long in a 2pc. I will be bringing it to Korea next trip to go for trout here in the eastern mountains. Perhaps I did not state myself clearly. My original Dickerson is an 861711D dated 1936. Please allow up to 120 days for completion of your new rod. (Bob Norwood), I was wondering if anyone has tried out the Dickerson 8615 7wt, the Garrison 221 7 wt, or the Payne Canadian Canoe 7 wt? by avyoung 06/16/16 18:33, Post 40 .200 under grip I hope this helps you out some, they are actually all nice rods, but as I said there is a little different in line sizes. that drop is a hallmark of all 2pc dickerson tapers. 0.138 They look very representative to what I have seen. Over the time I have made rods. They would be; The Straight line taper is the most basic and then the six major deviations of the SLT. I'm not sure why you don't like Garrison, nor his tapers, but you can have your own opinions as can everyone else. I personally have never been able to use them to describe the characteristics of a taper. .232@10 "And look at the difference in the prices they go for!" For that matter, how big does the swell actually have to be to stop the action of the rod? If it's starting at the cork, somebody got their dimensions messed up. (Ted Godfrey), I can say the one I don't like is the one in Ray Goulds fine book, 'Cane Rods, Tips and Tapers', page 85. 0.288 Nice taper but you may feel the large flex area on long casts with a 8 WF line. If you would like to give Michigan a try, let me know. His total production was fewer than 1,000 rods. Rod making, restoration, repairs and discussion on those related topics concerning bamboo rods. Line Size Tip Size But all you have done is show the straight line taper for between two dimensions. Consider one or the other of these two if your rod maker intends to fit the rod with step down ferrules, since there is a .010" step down across the ferrule stations. Measure over original varnish. Lyle Dickerson (Michigan) 6-strip Tonkin bamboo Dickerson was a self-taught rodmaker who designed his own rod-milling and planing equipment. In the local streams we suffer the length to enable some sort of roll cast, but use #4 or #3 lines. Information About Makers and Manufacturers, Appraisals & Identification of Bamboo Fly Rods. John Pickard only way to go. Ephemera, empherma and Ephemerella.. Photos, paintings, written stories and talents. CSE made the ferrule for me. Here are the tapers of the Dickerson 8014GS from the rod Jeff Fultz mic'ed and from Banjo's rod, since I had several requests both on and off list, I'll post here so anyone who wants them can save them. I'm off to the antipodes next year, and I'm hoping that the 7'6'' #5 that should be a #4 will go with me. I just read this to myself and it's obviously as clear as mud! While I have never cast an original (I think only a few were ever made by Mr. Dickerson) I have made a 4-5. (Will Price), You can adapt the taper that calls for a step down by putting a slight swell at the male ferrule end of the taper so that a super Z or super Swiss ferrule will work properly. On Corrib I used an 8'8''#4 nearly all the time, in fact I designed it for the job. To accomplish this I have added bamboo to compensate for the ferrule and the Varnish & Guides.. I would argue that the variances are due to machine error, rather than deliberate (consider that you are tapering the strips by running them thru a glorified router, excuse me milling machine, using a worn wooden pattern board running over metal rollers, to determine the taper. If you move it up to the mid section you might add a hinge that gets involved in the normal cast.. which is usually to be avoided. I just put stepdown ferrules on my first rod, an 8014 Dickerson. by ShenRods 05/08/09 01:54, Post I would highly recommend the 8013 for your first Dickerson rod. the all-around trout rod out here in the Western US. (Dennis Higham). .266@20 There are several different specs for this taper out there, three of which I use. 0.360 (Jay Hake). They are very nice 5 weights ( IMHO it is THE 8 5 wt). Bob through extensive research determined the tip dimensions for specific line weights and then calculated SLT for each. The last page shows our interpolated numbers, on 5 inch stations, with varnish already subtracted, using both the Howell method (measure stations from the butt up) or the "classic" method (measure stations from the tip down.) by trouttrapper 06/12/16 09:32, Post . 42 .194 .066 (Max Satoh), Yep, the drop at the ferrule is .014 which should call for the use of a step down. Taxes and shipping calculated at checkout, Browse our bamboo fly rods in stock and available now, Browse our collection of reels in stock and available now. The slope of the taper of this rod is .014/5" or a B-8.4 (taking the average drop from 80" thru 0"). This board is for discussing the repair and restoration of bamboo fly rods, makers discussion and construction techniques relating to same. I've fished mine from a drift boat on the Green river and had great success. In the hands of a good caster, this taper will make a fly line do things that amaze. You can built say a 5wt using a 13/64 ferrule and any of these slopes, and they'll all be 5 weights, but if you do the math you'll see that the tip dimensions would vary greatly. The point here being, if we can define areas along the straight line or linier taper. I did subtract the .006 when I made mine and I love it as I do every Dickerson taper that I've cast. The swell starts at the 80" mark which will be under the cork assuming I have a grip and an insert roughly 10" in length. (Harry Boyd). It throws up some very interesting facts. At location 45, the taper shows the numbers 208/213. When things are stated incorrectly, many of the newer makers on the list can get very confused. Reducing material in the butt section will make the butt more limber and allow flex deeper into the butt. Variations below this point have more to do with the character of the rod than the line weight. Standard Tapers Two-piece with two tips, bag and aluminum tube Price : $1099 Custom Tapers Two-piece with two tips, bag and aluminum tube Price : $1199 - $1399 I just fished them both side by side on the Green River. That said, even this quite powerful taper isn't sufficient to handle large deer hair bass bugs or heavily weighted 2/0 streamers. The stepdown in the male is from a 14/64 ID where the ferrule initially goes over the bamboo and steps down to 12/64 ID for the bamboo inside of the male slide. by Lee Koch 06/12/16 21:18, Post Just looking for a taper that accommodates the step down ferrule nicely. Bill said that the book he has written on the subject is going to the printers and should be out soon.. (No financial interest.) One of our longstanding rod models with classic cane color and a slightly more moderate action. (John Channer). Find great quality fly fishing rods at an affordable price that fits any budget. I search on Google and didn't come up with anything. (Lee Koch), I primarily use RodDNA for my taper selection. Removing material in the center creates a hinge aiding in roll casting ability (thank you Harry for that bit of information). 0.102 I cannot come up with an application for a 7'6''#5, with its inherent disadvantages for roll casting. (Robin Haywood), I find this a very interesting. A significant part of that application are the prejudices of the person who is going to be using it. It has a small flex area in the lower tip with a stronger butt sloping up toward the end with a good butt swell; fast rod. And you are of course correct in pointing out that stress numbers means nothing without the particulars of the line weight and length. It's why I'm fussy about ring weight on the tips of rods below #6. 50 0.213 0.120 Pezon/Michel. It was a rod I hate. 15 .258 .144 I won't know the difference if it isn't perfect but want to do things approximately correct. Don't leave us hangin' here with a sniper shot and leave ;-) (Mark Wendt), Truth be known, I prefer Payne to Dickerson. 0 0.072 - (Bret Reiter), I call this one a seven too. The butt was merely an extension pole to keep the tip further from the ground. Users can select the appropriate Morgan Handmill Cutter to match the geometry including both the 60.5 and 61.5 degree cutters for hex rods. The idea is that the butt must not bend, and when it does its only at the very end, if it bends further down then the height of the line above the ground is dramatically reduced and thus fully one half of the "High speed high line" proposition is not met. I always encourage customers to try before they buy. Tuesday - Sunday, 10am to 4pm, Winter You have a rod with a taper of approximately 0.0028 per inch. These are Bob's dimensions. All of these factors when considered together give a better picture of the rod than any one does in isolation. It seems that a Garrison-type taper with a straight, flat stress curve would be the most likely to be tolerable. Just have finish paying for the last kids college. Using too small a ferrule may be a factor. It's really funny that a True Arc turns out to be a parabolic taper (how drunk were those guys?). (Robin Haywood). I'm satisfied with my bamboo fly rod, even though the female metal Ferrule opening was a little big and the male ferrule on the second section would slip out after a few cast. 0.160 I have also noticed the mention of a Dickerson 8014GS. by SpringCreek 06/12/16 10:45, Post For any thing else but roll casting or keeping a very finite weight of DT in the air, it's useless. Interests: Building bamboo fly rods (occasionally), fly fishing for trout. I would go with Thramer. 765: 7'6" 2/2 5 wt. Thanks for the feedback, very helpful. I think I originally posted this taper as Russ personally sent it to me. As a rule I only make #5 rods (like Marinaro) and the bulk of these are less than 7'6". Most of the classic rodmakers continually "fudged" their tapers over the years (sometimes unintentionally due to machine and pattern wear, and sometimes deliberately). Again, there is slight flattening around the ferrule, and I suspect the measurement at 35" is due to machine operator error/technique rather than designed in. double taper silk lines at short ranges. Lyle Dickerson oft written about little powerhouse of a rod. If you know something different about Dickerson's typical varnsh coat, make the appropriate adjustment. So this spring I made the Dickerson 8014 Guide taper and prefer it for Lake Bass and larger bluegill. 6 wt 0.0752 In case you didn't get the taper before, here it is: 0.066 55 0.2275 The 7613 Golden Witch version, a 6 wt, has a somewhat softer tip than the 8013 getting stronger toward the lower tip. 50% due upon order placement; balance due upon completion. I have looked on the Rodmakers site under tapers and it is not listed. Why do you think a7'6" rod is short for a #5 ? Hi Guys, Also, some of those Heddons would have had pins through the tab area causing, in my view, problems. 0.369 (Greg Reeves), This version appears to me to take a step into account. In terms of rod design I think that it is really worthwhile considering as many design approaches as possible when trying to design and assess tapers. For example, the 8013 taper I use is .202 at the ferrule end of the tip, and .212 at the ferrule end of the butt. I was contemplating a rod with a 3.5 ft tip section and interchangeable butt sections of maybe 2, 3 and 4 ft lengths. if you were to use this type of ferrule, you might choose one that has a 13/64ths opening on the top, and a 14/64ths opening on the bottom. I would love to have the opportunity to cast my perfectionist (or any one of the several I've made for people) against any 7 1/2-foot 5-weight of his choice and compare line speed, distance, accuracy, or any other criterion he would like. 2 piece. (Tim Pembroke). (Jerry Foster). That's like saying that only the 49ers could find gold. Here's a classic Winston from the Hexrod taper archive. I have just finished reading your post regarding Straight Line Tapers and Straight horizontal Stress Curves and I must say that you as well as robin really do need a refresher course in Stress Curves. 35 .188 .332 In the upper left corner, in blue, you'll see the real measurements we took, for all 3 flats at each measurement point. I have fit the ferrules but not glued them up yet. As to my question about the ferrules is, your rods say, e.g. But all right is not a euphemism for excellent. 0.256 As you got more line out the rod would flex deeper into the shaft. These are our limited edition models, only released every few years. and .360@45. All rights reserved. by oldfishbrain 06/19/16 10:39, Post 70 0.261 133729 It also is fine on smaller streams. I brought my recently acquired 861711D to Luray, Virginia to show/share with Chris at his rod shop open house some years ago. 10 .110 .254 (Will Price), You can adapt the taper that calls for a step down by putting a slight swell at the male ferrule end of the taper so that a super Z or super Swiss ferrule will work properly. It's a two piece, 8 foot five weight. John's the guy. 55 0.217 145405 (Jerry Foster). The following taper was taken from a varnished 8013. This first set was posted on The Classic Fly Rod Forum by Jeff Fultz. if you don't have ~ 1/64 drop over the ferrule it isn't a true taper. 0.369 80 0.3 First, no one casts the same. 20 0.131 154180 Some rods, I think, have a regional quality to them, too, and just holding them gives one a kind of flavor of a particular time and place. Crisp, strong, smooth, versatile. Daryll Whitehead would be another good choice. Information About Makers and Manufacturers, Appraisals & Identification of Bamboo Fly Rods. 7 wt 0.0790 I will let Bob speak to the numbers and how they were derived. 15 0.115 163502 BTW, Paul, different strokes for different folks. Contact us to learn more about how we can help! (Mark Wendt), Was the varnish allowance of .004 already subtracted from the numbers for the 661510, or does it need to be done? Browse our collection of vintage fly boxes and wallets. For my money I can think of a couple of rods I like better than anything Dickerson made. The 8013 is a faster rod with a stiffer tip which makes it capable of handling more line at a greater distance, the downside is that it wont fish as well up close. According to Hoagy Carmichael Jr. who filmed a documentary for Boston Public TV, the Payne Rod Co. made approximately 12,000 rods during it's existence. 5 0.0825 by avyoung 06/12/16 21:15, Post Its definitely a bigger water rod that the 7613. (Tom Smithwick), See what Steve says, lots of people (Americans ? (four piece) carbon fiber spey blank. A true 13-14 step down. (Will McMurrey), Just very briefly, a Castle Connell taper is a good example, where you have a curious reverse taper in the upper part of the lower half of the rod. (Steve Weiss), That opens up another question. If I were to make it I would use .040 bring the 80" value to .328, this is enough to stop all the rod action. These were Bailey Woods stepdown ferrules. If you add bamboo the the tip of the rod, you have changed its mass (MOI/MOE) relative to what it was. (Steve Weiss), That's the rub isn't it? 0.168 Is there anyone who could help us finding the right data conserning the taper. I've built this one which was posted to the rodmaker's listserv years ago. 0 0.068 The top snake guide on the butt has a bit of a bend to it. All he needed to do was speed up the butts, preferably with a concave taper form, and he would really have been cooking with gas! I want to build a rod that does what a Dickerson 7613 does when casting and fished. The best reason that I can give you as to why Dickersons are popular tapers (Along with another Michigan maker Paul Young) is that they are nice casting rods and fit our fishing very well. (Inches) (Inches) Stress If you 'hide' columns you can then compare and easily see differences in any combination of selected rod tapers. I'm not familiar with Tom Fulk's true arc taper. To vary the straight line you can adjust the tip dimension. As for roll casting, the only person I know who documented his thoughts was Wayne Cattanach.. 65 0.2565 0.088 (Steve Weiss). A Lyle Dickerson model 8014 bamboo fly rod, 8', 2-piece, 3-tip, and built for a #6 line. I think the perfectionist is a fine taper and rod. 4070 Main Street, Bamboo fly rod Dickerson 7012 taper 7ft 4wt 2/2. All through this process you must be aware of the stress curves as well, you don't want to make changes that will cause a rod to fail. To this Robin brings up the complications created by the weight and placement of ferrules etc. Interesting thoughts on line weight and the first 20", I will have to roll that one around in my head for awhile. Or, if these are not good tapers for this, any suggestions as to which tapers would be? The point is this: a straight taper only leads to a flat stress curve, as you say, UNDER THE RIGHT CONDITIONS. Both tapers conform to the shape broadly called parabolic and thus will have the shortcomings that all rods of this misconceived taper share. To my way of looking at this taper, its definitely an 8 wt. I've cast the original and it is one strong casting rod and deserving of the Guide Special nomenclature. Very similar to the 8013 action ( my favorite rod ) but in the 4w class, mission accomplished. 0.168 What you have done is show the slope to the tip to butt. Somehow the "D" was either left off by me in the original posting or was lost in translation to David's site. (Mark Dyba), Heh, nothing wrong with that. 60 0.242 by LeeO 05/26/17 07:47, Post Very nice guy. 0.248 It does handle a 7 very well too. Jim Payne. Just basic principles that have been around for years. Point Dimension Maybe they were off a little but I have no reason to believe that if his 13 die were 13.5 he would not have marked it thusly. One of these days I am going to get myself a DICKERSON! I have been gobs smacked many times when the customer turns around and says I like this one. Remember that respect and civility is the goal of this board. I just wanted to make the point that there's a difference between a rod with a straight taper and one with a straight, flat stress curve. : This is a 5 wt line SLT. (Mark Wendt), I am wanting to build a Dickerson 7012 but cant find a taper that accounts for the step downs. Sorry! 8 wt 0.0830 I have thougt of the 8013, as a 5 weight. I would describe the rod action as very powerful, as you would expect from most Dickersons. Since it was a know Dickerson Taper and not a myth I set out to recreate how I think Lyle would of done it and it came out sweet. (John Silveira). (Mark Wendt), I checked the several places that I usually look for tapers and they all had the swell starting at 80". (Chris Obuchowski), Hexrods library seems to suggest otherwise. 0.229 Edwards Edwards #25 Quad - 7ft 4wt light tip Brewer Rods These rods use tried and true taper designs as a starting point. The rod I measured generally has 3/3 node spacing with the exception of two nodes falling right next to each other. The rod action will not resemble a straight line taper any longer. by alpom 05/08/09 03:35, Post Just like the makers of Ping golf clubs, who ban their retailers from selling on the internet, I do not see how it is possible to make a rod for someone without the presence of that person for a considerable time on a casting court. (Lowell Davis), The 8013 is definitely NOT a longer version of the 7613. (Pete Van Schaack), Has anyone made the Dickerson 8015 guide special at some time? This system could also be very helpful to understand why a classic taper feels the way it feels. This gives a quick, accurate impression as to what type of taper the rod is made from (straight, parabolic, compound, etc.) 70 0.271 This rod has some meat in the butt section and seems to mend a fair bit of line with ease. by mosquito 05/08/09 09:33, Post $ 1950us w/two tips, DICKERSON 7012 - 7' 2/2 - 4wt- honey colored - medium action, wonderful 4wt$ 1950us w/two tips. Then the part of the ferrule that fits on the bamboo inside the male slide 'stepped down' to .187" ID, or 12/64. I do not rule out the possibility of owning a Lyle Dickerson rod one day but, may I ask, if you own or were having a rod made today with a Dickerson taper, If you want a Dickerson - John Pickard is your best choice. It looked fairly thin. Over the last few days there has been a long thread about rods breaking at the female ferrule. maybe someone else has one! I own one of his 7612s and it's a wonderful rod. So a 13 size ferrule has a female and male sleeve that is .203 and a male insert that is .1718 or 11/64's. anyway that's how I do it. The two different numbers are for the tip and the butt of the rod. 20 0.126 Part of the midwest cadre of noted builders, he built rods from the 1930's onward and was especially known for his fast two-piece rods. Station Diameter Adding material to the butt section will stiffen and add power. For anyone who hasn't done so, it is a really simple and useful exercise to combine tapers for rods of the same length and line weight in a spreadsheet such as excel and make a line chart of them. (Peter Jones), If you "Put some cane back" in the bottom eighteen inches or so of the top joint you will have removed most of my objections. As you know line weight do vary so maybe your 8 wt is my 7 wt, or something like that? As Stephen points out if you can cast the rods then graph them out you really start to understand how it all comes together. I like Dickerson's fast action, but I have not had a chance to try every rod Jim Payne made. by FWdB 05/08/09 03:32, Post CANE RODS Tips & Tapers by Ray Gould has another version that averages out the step down. Especially if you know how the rods actually cast. All Dickerson copies include Dickerson aesthetics, blued ferrules & an agate stripping guide if desired. 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